tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post4992718349328499307..comments2024-03-24T17:13:53.855-07:00Comments on TenFourFox Development: The oldest computer running TenFourFoxClassicHasClasshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17331846076856918359noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-89359958251246453322015-09-06T12:32:43.027-07:002015-09-06T12:32:43.027-07:00For anyone finding this in the future, LightBulbFu...For anyone finding this in the future, LightBulbFun at MacRumors has already compiled the 10.4.11 kernel with 603/604 support.<br />Source: http://forums.macrumors.com/threads/os-x-tiger-on-a-603-604-cpu.1908276/Miles Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01202487496673458493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-69452909214236706022015-03-12T20:53:56.804-07:002015-03-12T20:53:56.804-07:00Pretty machines. I remember when they came out and...Pretty machines. I remember when they came out and how much nicer they looked than the beige Mac I was using as a consultant.ClassicHasClasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17331846076856918359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-13281197966560747822015-03-12T20:52:25.786-07:002015-03-12T20:52:25.786-07:00601 = unpossible, too different as a general rule....601 = unpossible, too different as a general rule.<br /><br />For the 603 and 604, however, the G3 version should "just work" -- at the user code level, there should be no difference in instruction sets. If it doesn't, I would suspect some other reason rather than the compiler -- the acid test would be building it with arch and cpu settings set to, say, a 603.ClassicHasClasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17331846076856918359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-23466249175700654542015-03-11T09:48:00.784-07:002015-03-11T09:48:00.784-07:00I should specify: "..assuming 10.4.11 is runn...I should specify: "..assuming 10.4.11 is running.." ;)Miles Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01202487496673458493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-2546798872236379772015-03-11T09:42:28.490-07:002015-03-11T09:42:28.490-07:00I'm curious to know if TenFourFox needs any su...I'm curious to know if TenFourFox needs any support from the G3 that the earlier CPUs (601, 603, 604) do not have. If the custom kernel (seems to just ignore the CPU version) can get 10.4 to boot, that doesn't guarantee that all software would work with the older CPUs, does it? I'm mostly curious to know if TenFourFox-G3 would work on the older CPUs, assuming that 10.4 is running.Miles Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01202487496673458493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-29381735844241232852015-03-09T08:15:54.783-07:002015-03-09T08:15:54.783-07:00I've got a Powermac G3 (blue & white) runn...I've got a Powermac G3 (blue & white) running TenFourFox. It was built by Apple in 1999 and is the oldest machine I've got that still gets used.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-34715300532868124342015-03-03T15:44:57.159-08:002015-03-03T15:44:57.159-08:00(Forgot to answer your other question: maybe. Stri...(Forgot to answer your other question: maybe. Strictly speaking TenFourFox will work on as early as 10.4.9, but 10.4.3 sounds too early. I'd be interested to hear if it works, but I couldn't guarantee it.)ClassicHasClasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17331846076856918359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-10144721878963805582015-03-03T15:43:53.046-08:002015-03-03T15:43:53.046-08:00Wow! The bigger trick is the 96MB of memory! Yikes...Wow! The bigger trick is the 96MB of memory! Yikes!<br /><br />I agree the 8GB limit almost certainly does not apply here.ClassicHasClasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17331846076856918359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-67574962387171559612015-03-03T15:42:53.112-08:002015-03-03T15:42:53.112-08:00The real trick will be getting it to handle Ion ba...The real trick will be getting it to handle Ion bailouts. That's what doomed my previous effort, and what I hope the internal changes in IonPower will facilitate.ClassicHasClasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17331846076856918359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-56980217657399765562015-03-03T10:30:13.926-08:002015-03-03T10:30:13.926-08:00By the way, this article refers to the infamous &#...By the way, this article refers to the infamous '8GB limit' to boot the OS, but that limit only applied to the early onboard IDE controllers. The 9500 and 7600 (of his article) are both SCSI, which doesn't have this limit. Add-on IDE cards may or may not have this limit, so homework is necessary to verify. Source: http://lowendmac.com/mail/mb07/1210.htmlMiles Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01202487496673458493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-18962145933012529832015-03-03T10:22:31.169-08:002015-03-03T10:22:31.169-08:00Actually, this guy got 10.4 running on a PowerPC 6...Actually, this guy got 10.4 running on a PowerPC 604! http://www.jump-ing.com/?en/Projects/Tiger_on_7600<br /><br />If I have time, I'd like to see if I can duplicate his efforts with 10.4.11 kernel. The code change seems simple enough, but I've never recompiled a kernel. Then even if 10.4 were able to boot on the 604, would TenFourFox be able to run?Miles Raymondhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01202487496673458493noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-28431950244299003542015-03-02T10:10:32.719-08:002015-03-02T10:10:32.719-08:00Yeah, I have several 8500 that can run 10.4 but I ...Yeah, I have several 8500 that can run 10.4 but I think they were released later on in the year.<br />JoeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-87065631368242654252015-02-28T19:40:19.049-08:002015-02-28T19:40:19.049-08:00I also want to pass along a small congrats on the ...I also want to pass along a small congrats on the progress you’ve made with IonPower. No small accomplishment that’s for sure.B-rockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03997596702539921342noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-52240491999470118682015-02-28T19:38:18.264-08:002015-02-28T19:38:18.264-08:00Made my day with that little bit of info. It’s sma...Made my day with that little bit of info. It’s small stories like this that help keep my passion of restoring and using old hardware alive and well. Kudos to Miles Raymond.B-rockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03997596702539921342noreply@blogger.com