tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post3409126663939444264..comments2024-03-24T17:13:53.855-07:00Comments on TenFourFox Development: 17 beta released; more dark clouds of Judgment DayClassicHasClasshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17331846076856918359noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-81542538538598580122012-10-27T11:37:41.138-07:002012-10-27T11:37:41.138-07:00Enough people have complained to Mozilla about dro...Enough people have complained to Mozilla about dropping Growl in 18 (it appears) that the code is apparently being reintroduced in Aurora-18 at least for that release until XUL notifications become available. We do want to use those, btw, but until then at least there will be Growl.<br /><br />As far as the fonts go, let me be explicit about what's going on. Those fonts didn't work in earlier versions of TenFourFox, at all. When those fonts were rendered, Harfbuzz puked, and all you got were "boxes" (after 10, then you just got blank space). Fonts that work now won't be affected by this; fonts that didn't work will now force the browser to pick a font that has a better chance of doing so, even if the actual face isn't quite right.<br /><br />tl;dr: If you're viewing sites with those fonts now, and they work now, then they will continue to work in 17. Only the fonts that never worked are filtered. And I should also make it clear that this only affects the browser's use of fonts; it doesn't change anything in the system.<br /><br />If you know of a font that worked in 10 that TenFourFox is now complaining it can't use, I want to know about that right away. Be very specific about the font face so I can write an exception. When the sec-fixed 17 comes out early next week, try it and see. The fonts it rejects are logged to Console.app, so you know exactly what it's doing.ClassicHasClasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17331846076856918359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-32870805940086264562012-10-27T00:33:06.166-07:002012-10-27T00:33:06.166-07:00I use Growl wherever I can (like for notification ...I use Growl wherever I can (like for notification that ClamXav updates are complete), so I would like to still be able to use it in TFF.<br /><br />Also, I have Middle-Eastern and Asian fonts installed for reading the languages, and some are bitmap fonts. I don't want them disabled. The websites I read use them.<br /><br />Restricting the fonts and software available does not seem to me like an advance.Ravenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17974090948640572660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-82197220653701464172012-10-26T08:05:49.772-07:002012-10-26T08:05:49.772-07:00Yes. This is issue 169. I'm going to suppress ...Yes. This is issue 169. I'm going to suppress that message for final release, since I can't seem to fix it and the wallpaper that message indicates works for now. I'm hoping the compiler update for 18+ eliminates the problem.ClassicHasClasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17331846076856918359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-8416277629724938972012-10-26T04:55:49.576-07:002012-10-26T04:55:49.576-07:00While watching my system.log for another reason th...While watching my system.log for another reason this morning on a system running OS X 10.5.8, I noticed that entries like the following were being logged every time I quit TenFourFox 17.0b1:<br /><br />[0x0-0x4e04e].com.floodgap.tenfourfox[553]: Forcing _Exit (it's better than EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION).<br /><br />This does not occur (a) when I quit TenFourFox 10.0.10 on the same system running OS X 10.5.8 or (b) when I quit TenFourFox 17.0b1 on a system running OS X 10.4.11. Is this expected behavior?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-75236231288693873342012-10-20T11:22:51.590-07:002012-10-20T11:22:51.590-07:00I wonder why they didn't just let it be as it ...I wonder why they didn't just let it be as it was in 8.0b1.<br /><br />You can always set nglayout.enable_drag_images to false, but then you won't get a thumbnail when dragging a tab out of the strip to make a new window. And dragging images to the desktop to save them will be just wire frames in Firefox 1.x style. The good thing is that this dramatically improves performance for these operations on slower systems (like my PowerBook G3 400 MHz).<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-45582984004871560012012-10-19T14:55:02.214-07:002012-10-19T14:55:02.214-07:00I was waiting for someone to notice. It's not ...I was waiting for someone to notice. It's not quite as smooth as it was in 8, probably because of the thumbnail, but it's still nice. I wonder if there's an easy way to turn that off.ClassicHasClasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17331846076856918359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-88350303893428293302012-10-19T07:01:50.663-07:002012-10-19T07:01:50.663-07:00Did you notice that the graphically nicer tab drag...Did you notice that the graphically nicer tab dragging from 8.0b1 is back in 17? Took long enough… Only the thumbnail is now always shown when dragging, which is a bit confusing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-6963654440879199172012-10-18T19:57:27.213-07:002012-10-18T19:57:27.213-07:00Probably should be asking Tobias this, but since t...Probably should be asking Tobias this, but since there is no Leopardwebkit development blog and he probably reads these comments here goes nutin': <br /><br />Will plugins still be supported in leopard webkit for the forseeable future? Click to Flash with quicktime in standalone is pretty awesome.dr.davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15886698961408263795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-17874622978035246252012-10-14T14:48:46.729-07:002012-10-14T14:48:46.729-07:00That is probably your only option, yes. Note: when...That is probably your only option, yes. Note: when we aren't able to maintain source parity, 17 support will end early and the stable branch will be moved to the last buildable unstable version, to which feature parity items will be added. At best this will occur by Fx24, so even then your time is limited even if we make it to the next ESR (and Mozilla has not said if there's going to be a "next ESR" after 17). I'd start seeing if the QTE can meet your needs.ClassicHasClasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17331846076856918359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-55254336467045897392012-10-14T14:16:51.646-07:002012-10-14T14:16:51.646-07:00I'll probably stick with TenFourFox 17 and won...I'll probably stick with TenFourFox 17 and won't upgrade anymore - I need Flash plugin, which is faster than HTML5 on YouTube and allows 240p streaming.niu techhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01007283093740358575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-4958447608003932602012-10-14T10:11:28.439-07:002012-10-14T10:11:28.439-07:00W/r/t plugins, they're also removing Carbon NP...W/r/t plugins, they're also removing Carbon NPAPI support at the same time (bug 598397), which has not landed yet, but will.<br /><br />Their reasoning with plugins is at least understandable. Virtually all maintained plugins support the new CoreAnimation and Cocoa plugin APIs, and they are better documented to boot; plus, Apple has deprecated QuickDraw since 10.4 and Carbon is now deprecated as of 10.8. Eliminating a second code path which will now almost never be used makes good sense because intertwining it with the CA/Cocoa code probably increases the risk of bugs and decreases performance. That's why I say that if we add it back it's unlikely to work right anyway because we'd need to duplicate and maintain all those little interminglings. It's just not worth it.<br /><br />However, I just don't get why Growl had to go. That code is stable, connects to a stable API that hasn't changed since the 1.0 days, and provides a useful service option on supported platforms. So I think he's way out of line here. I don't know how he got review+ on that, but he did.<br /><br />Glad to hear that the font problem is now dealt with. I would really like to hear from some of the more vocal users on that trouble ticket, though. What happened to our Polish translator?ClassicHasClasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17331846076856918359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-24608307663788805922012-10-14T09:34:50.225-07:002012-10-14T09:34:50.225-07:00French, Swedish & German langpack installers a...French, Swedish & German langpack installers available at http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/issues/detail?id=61 . The Swedish one is new, please give it a test run if you speak this language.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1015214236289077798.post-37758248642119026252012-10-14T05:49:59.052-07:002012-10-14T05:49:59.052-07:00The removal of QuickDraw plugin code is indeed unf...The removal of QuickDraw plugin code is indeed unfortunate. Was that technically necessary to further develop the browser, or just a removal of dead code (cleaning up)? I wonder why one single person can make these decisions on their own (also regarding growl). Aurora 18 for Flash now shows an empty space, and loading the QuickTime plugin crashes the browser instantly. So, while painful, it's the right decision to disable plugin code completely in 18.<br /><br />The font issue is fixed for me in 17.0b1. Text is now displayed on websites with Postscript Type 1 fonts, albeit not it the intended font style. But web designers who are in their right mind wouldn't use these fonts because hardly anybody has them installed, so their browsers would fallback anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com